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		<title>By: kirstiecat</title>
		<link>http://kirstiecat.com/blog/archives/330/comment-page-1#comment-231</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2006 00:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmm....well, I guess without knowing the real ins and outs of the case, I would wonder about he not admitting guilt...is it possible that either-1. He was so mentally ill he didn&#039;t know right from wrong.  2. He didn&#039;t actually commit the crimes?


I dunno....just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmm&#8230;.well, I guess without knowing the real ins and outs of the case, I would wonder about he not admitting guilt&#8230;is it possible that either-1. He was so mentally ill he didn&#8217;t know right from wrong.  2. He didn&#8217;t actually commit the crimes?</p>
<p>I dunno&#8230;.just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: CT</title>
		<link>http://kirstiecat.com/blog/archives/330/comment-page-1#comment-226</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kirstie-Kat, this is something i wrote recently sort of the same but i wanted to add it here.  i think you will disagree with some of it but i just wanted to add it.  i hope you get as much of your photos saved as you can, im glad it as been at least a partial save so far! I told a friend about it last night when we were on the phone actually, shes a photo head like you too!  so best to you kirstie i am really sorry about the photos damn that is harsh.  thank God you got some of them back.  I hope you are going to be allright, it is your art, so it is important.  and aslo with photos sometimes it takes awhile and sudenly one sees more things in it.  i really love the recent one from the train wow!  that is soooo great.  ok take care Kirstie-Kat.  


In theory I should like to be against the death penalty. But then I read the newspaper, or well actually I look at the news on the internet newspaper site, and read about some child-porn ring, or a guy who kills women and children, stalkers, hate crimes, or other people that prey on the weak and do these horrible crimes to babies, and really I have no sympathy for them and I would like to kill them myself.

But then I figure what good does that do? And it takes so long to do it, they get automatic appeal when the death penalty is involved. And cases are so expensive and take so long, that most cases are never even tried anyway, probably less than 2 % of cases are ever actually tried. 

With Williams I thought that he should be held for life in prison instead of death. But I can see why the governor would not change the sentence. For one thing, this man Tookie committed extremely violent and horrible crimes, he murdered people in cold blood, that he did not even have to murder to commit his crime, but obviously he wanted no witness to his crime, so fro him, escape from his sentence was more important than human life. Secondly he never admitted his guilt to these crimes, and , many people including Simon Wiesenthal, say that a person must admit their guilt before they can repent and before they can be forgiven for their crime.

Tookie never admitted his guilt and this is not insignificant when a governor is deciding if he should intercede and stop the outcome of what the courts of the state have decreed. 
The governor is not meant to simply change the outcome of the events that he simply disagrees with, even though he has the power to stop or change things, the executive branch should not overreach the balance of the equality of powers of our government system, but there is the mechanism for special cases. Here the courts had come up with a judgment and a sentence. The governor had to decide if he should over ride and change what was deemed the appropriate and just decision of the courts. The governor spent extra time in contemplating his decision.

The Governor stated that the lack of admission of guilt was a looming factor in his decision. No one can find fault in the governor for his analysis or decision; it was made on the facts, and reasonable criteria. One might disagree with capital punishment at all, but that is a different matter.

Despite his lack of admission, because I am of two minds about capital punishment, I thought that Tookie should be given life, as consideration for his change in behavior and deeds of childrens books and such trying to warn of the perils of Gang life. Considering Tookieâ€™s crimes, there is nothing outrageous or corrupt about his sentence. Perhaps his death serves as his final and most powerful lesson to the children that he attempted to warn of gangs, that this is what happens to boys and girls who choose a life of gangs, degradation, despair and death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirstie-Kat, this is something i wrote recently sort of the same but i wanted to add it here.  i think you will disagree with some of it but i just wanted to add it.  i hope you get as much of your photos saved as you can, im glad it as been at least a partial save so far! I told a friend about it last night when we were on the phone actually, shes a photo head like you too!  so best to you kirstie i am really sorry about the photos damn that is harsh.  thank God you got some of them back.  I hope you are going to be allright, it is your art, so it is important.  and aslo with photos sometimes it takes awhile and sudenly one sees more things in it.  i really love the recent one from the train wow!  that is soooo great.  ok take care Kirstie-Kat.</p>
<p>In theory I should like to be against the death penalty. But then I read the newspaper, or well actually I look at the news on the internet newspaper site, and read about some child-porn ring, or a guy who kills women and children, stalkers, hate crimes, or other people that prey on the weak and do these horrible crimes to babies, and really I have no sympathy for them and I would like to kill them myself.</p>
<p>But then I figure what good does that do? And it takes so long to do it, they get automatic appeal when the death penalty is involved. And cases are so expensive and take so long, that most cases are never even tried anyway, probably less than 2 % of cases are ever actually tried.</p>
<p>With Williams I thought that he should be held for life in prison instead of death. But I can see why the governor would not change the sentence. For one thing, this man Tookie committed extremely violent and horrible crimes, he murdered people in cold blood, that he did not even have to murder to commit his crime, but obviously he wanted no witness to his crime, so fro him, escape from his sentence was more important than human life. Secondly he never admitted his guilt to these crimes, and , many people including Simon Wiesenthal, say that a person must admit their guilt before they can repent and before they can be forgiven for their crime.</p>
<p>Tookie never admitted his guilt and this is not insignificant when a governor is deciding if he should intercede and stop the outcome of what the courts of the state have decreed.<br />
The governor is not meant to simply change the outcome of the events that he simply disagrees with, even though he has the power to stop or change things, the executive branch should not overreach the balance of the equality of powers of our government system, but there is the mechanism for special cases. Here the courts had come up with a judgment and a sentence. The governor had to decide if he should over ride and change what was deemed the appropriate and just decision of the courts. The governor spent extra time in contemplating his decision.</p>
<p>The Governor stated that the lack of admission of guilt was a looming factor in his decision. No one can find fault in the governor for his analysis or decision; it was made on the facts, and reasonable criteria. One might disagree with capital punishment at all, but that is a different matter.</p>
<p>Despite his lack of admission, because I am of two minds about capital punishment, I thought that Tookie should be given life, as consideration for his change in behavior and deeds of childrens books and such trying to warn of the perils of Gang life. Considering Tookie&#226;&#8364;&#8482;s crimes, there is nothing outrageous or corrupt about his sentence. Perhaps his death serves as his final and most powerful lesson to the children that he attempted to warn of gangs, that this is what happens to boys and girls who choose a life of gangs, degradation, despair and death.</p>
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		<title>By: kirstiecat</title>
		<link>http://kirstiecat.com/blog/archives/330/comment-page-1#comment-220</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 18:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A lot of people who commit crimes do walk, or are never even tried because the standard for the state to prove guilt is so high.&quot;


Actually, I would argue after you see this documentary, that you might realize alot of criminals are out on the street because our judicial system has been way too hasty with convicting based on loose circumstantial evidence and faulty eye witness accounts.  They want anyone to take the wrap so often the real criminals aren&#039;t found and are a danger at large to society.


I am not trying to say I do not hold up in high esteem the role or the people themselves who are prosecuters and public defenders but the system *is* flawed and is not serving the public at large as well as it could.

Combine that with the fact that in nearly all states, there is really no compensation for people who have been wrongfully imprisoned for years and are being cleared based on DNA evidence.  After years of their life has been wasted, they are out on the streets without jobs, health care, and technically they still have a criminal record.  All they have that is different is exonerated papers.


It is my personal opinion that until there is significant financial compensation (although you can&#039;t put a price on years of someone&#039;s life being taken away but at least something that these people can live on), the criminal justice will continue to not be held accountable for their actions and not one thing will change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A lot of people who commit crimes do walk, or are never even tried because the standard for the state to prove guilt is so high.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, I would argue after you see this documentary, that you might realize alot of criminals are out on the street because our judicial system has been way too hasty with convicting based on loose circumstantial evidence and faulty eye witness accounts.  They want anyone to take the wrap so often the real criminals aren&#8217;t found and are a danger at large to society.</p>
<p>I am not trying to say I do not hold up in high esteem the role or the people themselves who are prosecuters and public defenders but the system <strong>is</strong> flawed and is not serving the public at large as well as it could.</p>
<p>Combine that with the fact that in nearly all states, there is really no compensation for people who have been wrongfully imprisoned for years and are being cleared based on <span class="caps">DNA</span> evidence.  After years of their life has been wasted, they are out on the streets without jobs, health care, and technically they still have a criminal record.  All they have that is different is exonerated papers.</p>
<p>It is my personal opinion that until there is significant financial compensation (although you can&#8217;t put a price on years of someone&#8217;s life being taken away but at least something that these people can live on), the criminal justice will continue to not be held accountable for their actions and not one thing will change.</p>
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		<title>By: kirstiecat</title>
		<link>http://kirstiecat.com/blog/archives/330/comment-page-1#comment-219</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 18:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A lot of people who commit crimes do walk, or are never even tried because the standard for the state to prove guilt is so high.&quot;


Actually, I would argue after you see this documentary, that you might realize alot of criminals are out on the street because our judicial system has been way too hasty with convicting based on loose circumstantial evidence and faulty eye witness accounts.  They want anyone to take the wrap so often the real criminals aren&#039;t found and are a danger at large to society.


I am not trying to say I do not hold up in high esteem the role or the people themselves who are prosecuters and public defenders but the system *is* flawed and is not serving the public at large as well as it could.

Combine that with the fact that in nearly all states, there is really no compensation for people who have been wrongfully imprisoned for years and are being cleared based on DNA evidence.  After years of their life has been wasted, they are out on the streets without jobs, health care, and technically they still have a criminal record.  All they have that is different is exonerated papers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A lot of people who commit crimes do walk, or are never even tried because the standard for the state to prove guilt is so high.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, I would argue after you see this documentary, that you might realize alot of criminals are out on the street because our judicial system has been way too hasty with convicting based on loose circumstantial evidence and faulty eye witness accounts.  They want anyone to take the wrap so often the real criminals aren&#8217;t found and are a danger at large to society.</p>
<p>I am not trying to say I do not hold up in high esteem the role or the people themselves who are prosecuters and public defenders but the system <strong>is</strong> flawed and is not serving the public at large as well as it could.</p>
<p>Combine that with the fact that in nearly all states, there is really no compensation for people who have been wrongfully imprisoned for years and are being cleared based on <span class="caps">DNA</span> evidence.  After years of their life has been wasted, they are out on the streets without jobs, health care, and technically they still have a criminal record.  All they have that is different is exonerated papers.</p>
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		<title>By: CT</title>
		<link>http://kirstiecat.com/blog/archives/330/comment-page-1#comment-218</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 17:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The criminal and judicial system in this country is good; the biggest flaw is humans are party to it and humans will never be perfect. The system has responded to people who said we had to do more for victims of crimes in the procedure; some of the things you address will probably influence the future. it takes a long time to change things, and with good reason and result. Your right we should probably get rid of the death penalty, if nothing else, simply to avoid killing an innocent person. People shouldnâ€™t die for a mistake or bias, no doubt some have, and some innocent people are probably in prison right now.  We should improve the system where we can, the system is meant to protect people from wrongly going to jail, rather than putting the maximum number of guilty people in jail.  A lot of people who commit crimes do walk, or are never even tried because the standard for the state to prove guilt is so high. Witnesses, judgesâ€™, juriesâ€™, prosecutors, public defendants, are all humans and each one is different and you can get different verdicts simply from difference, with no malice or even mistake, simply a different interpretation of a law or reading as to the particular application of the specific facts of a case to the statute can produce a different result.  The prosecutors and public defendants do a great job for this country; most of these people are over-worked and under paid, much like the teachers of our educational system, they put in an Olympic performance everyday, without many medals or much fanfare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The criminal and judicial system in this country is good; the biggest flaw is humans are party to it and humans will never be perfect. The system has responded to people who said we had to do more for victims of crimes in the procedure; some of the things you address will probably influence the future. it takes a long time to change things, and with good reason and result. Your right we should probably get rid of the death penalty, if nothing else, simply to avoid killing an innocent person. People shouldn&#226;&#8364;&#8482;t die for a mistake or bias, no doubt some have, and some innocent people are probably in prison right now.  We should improve the system where we can, the system is meant to protect people from wrongly going to jail, rather than putting the maximum number of guilty people in jail.  A lot of people who commit crimes do walk, or are never even tried because the standard for the state to prove guilt is so high. Witnesses, judges&#226;&#8364;&#8482;, juries&#226;&#8364;&#8482;, prosecutors, public defendants, are all humans and each one is different and you can get different verdicts simply from difference, with no malice or even mistake, simply a different interpretation of a law or reading as to the particular application of the specific facts of a case to the statute can produce a different result.  The prosecutors and public defendants do a great job for this country; most of these people are over-worked and under paid, much like the teachers of our educational system, they put in an Olympic performance everyday, without many medals or much fanfare.</p>
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		<title>By: kirstiecat</title>
		<link>http://kirstiecat.com/blog/archives/330/comment-page-1#comment-217</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Mar 2006 17:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>okay well, I&#039;m really against the death penalty for many reasons, some of which you do acknowledge yourself.  I think if you are a person that is going to say you really value life, you would not be able to come to terms with either the death penalty on a philisophical level or the possibility of even one wrongful execution (there have been several and probably many more that we don&#039;t know about).  I feel like just as the blood of the innocent is on the hands of murderers, the blood of the innocent is on our hands as a country.

Furthermore, I don&#039;t feel like either our justice system or the death penalty is really doing a great job to keep the citizens of our country more protected either.  Pyschologically, in terms of the idea of relief to the family, I don&#039;t believe relief should come from the idea that you have done the very same heinous thing to someone that you so object to he or she having done.  That simply does not make any sense.  I&#039;ve never been in the position where I have had a loved one murdered but I feel very strongly that true healthy relief and coming to terms with something that heinous has more to do with the act of forgiveness.  It&#039;s natural to think you wouldn&#039;t be able to forgive something like that but spefically the action may not be forgiven whereas the person might be depending on the circumstances and mental state.


Ultimately, Arnold and Bush are just about the largest hypocrites in the bunch.  They have no understanding of valuing life even though Bush claims to value it so much he&#039;d like to take choices completely away from women.  Bush even went to the extent to make fun of mentally ill and people with cognitive disabilities on death row publically.  Doesn&#039;t seem like any kind of Christianity I&#039;ve ever heard of that he&#039;s following. (despite what he so claims)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>okay well, I&#8217;m really against the death penalty for many reasons, some of which you do acknowledge yourself.  I think if you are a person that is going to say you really value life, you would not be able to come to terms with either the death penalty on a philisophical level or the possibility of even one wrongful execution (there have been several and probably many more that we don&#8217;t know about).  I feel like just as the blood of the innocent is on the hands of murderers, the blood of the innocent is on our hands as a country.</p>
<p>Furthermore, I don&#8217;t feel like either our justice system or the death penalty is really doing a great job to keep the citizens of our country more protected either.  Pyschologically, in terms of the idea of relief to the family, I don&#8217;t believe relief should come from the idea that you have done the very same heinous thing to someone that you so object to he or she having done.  That simply does not make any sense.  I&#8217;ve never been in the position where I have had a loved one murdered but I feel very strongly that true healthy relief and coming to terms with something that heinous has more to do with the act of forgiveness.  It&#8217;s natural to think you wouldn&#8217;t be able to forgive something like that but spefically the action may not be forgiven whereas the person might be depending on the circumstances and mental state.</p>
<p>Ultimately, Arnold and Bush are just about the largest hypocrites in the bunch.  They have no understanding of valuing life even though Bush claims to value it so much he&#8217;d like to take choices completely away from women.  Bush even went to the extent to make fun of mentally ill and people with cognitive disabilities on death row publically.  Doesn&#8217;t seem like any kind of Christianity I&#8217;ve ever heard of that he&#8217;s following. (despite what he so claims)</p>
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		<title>By: CT</title>
		<link>http://kirstiecat.com/blog/archives/330/comment-page-1#comment-216</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Mar 2006 05:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I change my mind about the death penalty all the time.
Theoretically or philosophically I am often against it, but then I will have to read about some scum-bag that raped and murdered a little baby, or murdered their own 8 yr, old daughter with a hammer to the head or stole someoneâ€™s child and molested and murdered them and I just want that person dead, and I wish I could be the one to kill them.  
But then I usually calm down and figure itâ€™s mostly bad to have a death penalty, but I can see why people are for it.  one of the things that makes me against it is because there are so many protections/and delays for the prisonersâ€™ that it takes so long after the crime to kill them that it is sort of anti-climatic in a way.   Of course DNA is not fool-proof, on either side, and most towns and cities canâ€™t afford the fancy tools people see on television.  On the one hand I feel it is barbaric and counterintuitive to kill people for committing a crime, but on the other I can feel empathy for the families of the victims and I defiantly feel the rage towards many criminals in this society, specially the predators and violent ones that pre on the children, weak and innocent.  
     I was hoping that tookie williams would get life from the gov instead of death, but even there, I could see how someone that committed such violent crimes against perfectly innocent people that did not deserve to have some one brutally blow their head off might be seen as deserving his fate.  
     Too me its not an easy issue, I know if we got rid of it, I wouldnâ€™t really be upset, but I also donâ€™t shed any tears over some horrible person being put to sleep like a dog after they have been a hurtful and terrible person that took life from others, and mostly sat in jail for years after anyway.  
     Maybe you have to build lots of prisons and lock up all the dangerous people to keep the rest of us safe, or maybe you have to change the consciousness of the society, so people donâ€™t do stupid things like kill people etc.  but I donâ€™t think government cares about â€œsocietyâ€ â€œconsciousnessâ€ or  â€œequalityâ€ or â€œdemocracyâ€ but maybe Iâ€™m being cynical because I  been working all day, and Iâ€™m tired.  When it comes down to it, if I could choose to have the death penalty or get rid of it for this country, I would choose to get rid of it, even though I hate a lot of those criminals with a passion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I change my mind about the death penalty all the time.<br />
Theoretically or philosophically I am often against it, but then I will have to read about some scum-bag that raped and murdered a little baby, or murdered their own 8 yr, old daughter with a hammer to the head or stole someone&#226;&#8364;&#8482;s child and molested and murdered them and I just want that person dead, and I wish I could be the one to kill them.<br />
But then I usually calm down and figure it&#226;&#8364;&#8482;s mostly bad to have a death penalty, but I can see why people are for it.  one of the things that makes me against it is because there are so many protections/and delays for the prisoners&#226;&#8364;&#8482; that it takes so long after the crime to kill them that it is sort of anti-climatic in a way.   Of course <span class="caps">DNA</span> is not fool-proof, on either side, and most towns and cities can&#226;&#8364;&#8482;t afford the fancy tools people see on television.  On the one hand I feel it is barbaric and counterintuitive to kill people for committing a crime, but on the other I can feel empathy for the families of the victims and I defiantly feel the rage towards many criminals in this society, specially the predators and violent ones that pre on the children, weak and innocent.</p>
<p>     I was hoping that tookie williams would get life from the gov instead of death, but even there, I could see how someone that committed such violent crimes against perfectly innocent people that did not deserve to have some one brutally blow their head off might be seen as deserving his fate.<br />
     Too me its not an easy issue, I know if we got rid of it, I wouldn&#226;&#8364;&#8482;t really be upset, but I also don&#226;&#8364;&#8482;t shed any tears over some horrible person being put to sleep like a dog after they have been a hurtful and terrible person that took life from others, and mostly sat in jail for years after anyway.<br />
     Maybe you have to build lots of prisons and lock up all the dangerous people to keep the rest of us safe, or maybe you have to change the consciousness of the society, so people don&#226;&#8364;&#8482;t do stupid things like kill people etc.  but I don&#226;&#8364;&#8482;t think government cares about &#226;&#8364;&#339;society&#226;&#8364; &#226;&#8364;&#339;consciousness&#226;&#8364; or  &#226;&#8364;&#339;equality&#226;&#8364; or &#226;&#8364;&#339;democracy&#226;&#8364; but maybe I&#226;&#8364;&#8482;m being cynical because I  been working all day, and I&#226;&#8364;&#8482;m tired.  When it comes down to it, if I could choose to have the death penalty or get rid of it for this country, I would choose to get rid of it, even though I hate a lot of those criminals with a passion.</p>
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